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    Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 7:31pm
Within 6 weeks we'll start racing again, first race Itchenor!  Will there be already  boats with exotic headsails?  We'l be racing with classic dacron nr 1, 2 and 3.  I suppose there will be a kind of transition period? 
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I cannot seem to find the updated rules - have they been published?
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We will all be sailing with the 'normal' sails I believe. Its interesting that we competed in the Portsmouth SC Autumn Series using the conventional sails whilst Concerto used her 'high tech' rig. In conditions where the Number 1 would be used we were signifacantly faster but over 20 knots when we were using Number 2 Concerto was faster. See you at Itchenor
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Thanks Colin..looking forward seeing you all again!
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Hi Christophe,

The rules for the alternative racing sails are being finalised, in order to get these correct it takes a bit of time and we are consulting with sail makers to ensure that the rules are "robust".  The technical committee are aware that it is important to get these out and available as soon as possible and we are working on that.

 

I doubt that anyone will turn up to Itchenor with a laminate headsail or main but they would be entitled to do so as long as they meet the new rule.  At the moment I am only aware of one boat in the regular racing fleet with a sail that meets the new rule and that is my own (Concerto).  However my sail is significantly smaller than the maximum size allowed and includes UV strips that add weight, etc as it was built for the AZAB and general cruising duties.  That said it did pretty well in the PSC Autumn series (http://www.portsmouthsc.co.uk/results/autumn2010.htm).

 

 

I suspect and hope that over the next couple of years we will see this option being taken up by a few of the existing racers and perhaps help bring a few new boats into the fleet.

 
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Dear George

I'm just about to order a laminated smaller roller genoa, mainly for short-handed cruising. But I would obviously like it to comply with any forthcoming class rules. The sailmaker has suggested a 130% genoa - would this comply, or are the exact dimensions specified?

I'ld be very grateful for your comments.

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Nick,
Just a caution about laminates for a cruiser: the sailmakers admit they are very much more susceptible to mildew when rolled.  You can pay even more for treatments, but...
I did not want to have to dry and remove my sail each time I leave the boat for a week in harbour.
I went the route of a vectron woven sail which is both lighter and meant to be almost the same performance...  Speak to Peter Sanders if you wnat to explore this side of teh discussion: others push laminates but I was unconvinced for cruising.
We went for a No 2 size: 29.5m2 which handles very nicely.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote George Isted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by NickVBaker

Dear George
 
I'm just about to order a laminated smaller roller genoa, mainly for short-handed cruising. But I would obviously like it to comply with any forthcoming class rules. The sailmaker has suggested a 130% genoa - would this comply, or are the exact dimensions specified?
 
I'ld be very grateful for your comments.
 
Regards
 
Nick Baker
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Hi Nick,

I think a 130% genoa is a pretty good compromise on size for cruising.   The new rules will state that the size should be no more than 33sq M which is about the maximum size of the current No2.

 

The laminate genoa I had made by Sanders was primarily for the AZAB and family cruising and is just a smidge smaller than 29sq m, this gave me a lower IRC handicap but in retrospect I wish I had gone for 31sq m for a bit more light air performance.  That said when cruising in light airs the engine tends to go on if the wind goes really light and progress is slow.  For information, when sailing alongside Carolina last week (who had a new Dacron No2) in around 6-9kts of wind there was no difference in boat speed (we were both trimming like crazy).

 

As for materials, A Pentex laminate sail cloth is now legal (and is what I have) but it is up to you if this is what you want to go for as they do suffer with mildew more than a woven material as it does not breath.  I tend to remove my genoa and store below if I’m not using the boat for a couple of weeks.  The rule wording will allow any woven and/or laminated polyester/Dacron so no Kevlar, Carbon or other Aramids allowed.   If you go for a laminate it must have a taffeta coating on each side, this adds weight but is absolutely worth it for a cruising sail – again I have this on mine.

 

Having done more than 4,000 miles over two years with my furling laminate headsail from Sanders I am very pleased with it.

 

I hope this helps but feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.

George Isted
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickVBaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 9:42am
Dear Richard and George

Thank you very much for that helpfull information. Its good to be warned about the mildew problem - I shall discuss it with the sailmaker Gowen Ocean. Because we do quite a bit of short handed sailing, I'm being a bit of a wimp and going for a sail smaller than a No2 - probably about 26sqm. I shall still keep my furling No1 for racing.

Thanks again and good sailing.

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No problem Nick.
 
I can't help thinking that 26 sq m is a bit on the small side even if it is just for shorthanded sailing. for general use I would not want to go any smaller than what I have at 29sq m which rolls down to a No 3 size sail very nicely, then on to a No 4 but with a lump of sail around the forestay.
Last month I spent about 48 hours under triple reefed main and genoa rolled up to approx. No 4 size and we were still making good progress at 5 kts and would have been faster if it wasn't such a horrible sea state!
 

Wouldn't do any harm to have a chat with Peter Sanders, he is very approachable and has a huge amount of experience with Contessa sails.

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