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    Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 1:25pm
Has anyone fitted an emgency tiller/rudder? or suggestions how to satisfy ISAF Cat 1 regulations?

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Hi Wayne, to satisfy Cat1 I carried my old but serviceable tiller as a spare - perhaps a man in your profession could knock up a spare?

You also need to consider steering if you have no control or loss of the rudder (unlikely in a Co32 due to the skeg but not impossible). A long steering oar or spinnaker pole with a plywood bunk top securely attached are both common options but it's worth testing your plan (in fact the rules require it).
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Hi Wayne,

Silver Harmony came with an emergency tiller. It's in two parts. Part 1 is a piece of (galvanised steel) pipe with a piece of square box welded on one end which matches the square on the rudder stock. There is a bolt to hold it in place. The other end of the pipe has a welded fork which accepts part 2, a second piece of pipe which is inserted into the fork at 90 degrees to part 1 to form the bit of the tiller you hold. It looks fairly practical although I confess I've never tried it out. I can photograph it for you next time I'm at the boat if you want.

She also came with a piece of shaped wood with two large jubille clips atttached which is also described as an emergency tiller, the idea being that you clamp it to the stump of your broken original tiller. I'm sceptical about whether it would be long enough or secure enough for serious use.

Some self-steering gears (e.g. Hydrovane) can apparently double as an emergency rudder but that's probably only a practical option if you were planning to fit one anyway!

Robert.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wayne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 8:48am
Thanks Guys, I have been looking at various Wind Vanes and just cannot decide, the Hydrovane seems to tick all the boxes but are they powerful enough when the boat is not perfectly trimmed?
 
The popular choice on Contessa's, from my obervations, apprears to be the Windpilot but this is not suitable as an emerengy steering system? but do the pro's outweigh the con's?
 
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The Hydrovane is good but also heavy and not as powerful as a servo-pendulum type self steering. I think Windpilot also do a version that can independently steer the boat but have never seen one in the flesh, check their website or contact Peter F who makes them.
I think you need to take into account the likelihood of total steering failure on a Co32, with it's skeg hung rudder there is a lot less to go wrong in comparison to an unprotected spade rudder on a more modern boat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Silver Harmony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 12:33pm
Hi Wayne,

my comment about the wind vane was a bit tongue in cheek. Actually I wouldn't (didn't) choose a Hydrovane for a CO32 although it has been done - if I remember rightly Ashlin has one.

When I replaced my self steering a few years ago I decided that for me the advantage of emergency steering didn't outweigh the disadvantage of the size, weight and complexity of the Hydrovane. I fitted a Cape Horn "Varuna" (http://www.capehorn.com/sections/Pages/outboard.htm) and after ~10,000 miles I am very happy with it.

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I have two options;

1. Spare tiller - an ali tube with a machined end that fits the rudder stock. I use it when the tiller is off for varnishing!

2. A ply wooden plate with two hoops and a female spiniker pole fitting. The pole is slid into the hoops and clipped in to the female end (aka bits of mast fitting) to form a really long replacement rudder that can be hung off the transom. This is a simple and cheap solution. Never used it, but should work.
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Hi Wayne,

I bought a Monitor Windvane off eBay which I used for the last AZAB, its the best thing I have ever spent money on!  Its not as elegant as the windpilot but it does have an emergency rudder option, see details on their website.

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Hi Wayne,

I bought my contessa with a hydrovane mounted on the stern. After a couple of years I am very satisfied with the performance altough I see the issue with the weight of the vane. The rudder in my opinion is big enough to act as a emergency rudder. There is a small tiller mounted on the shaft allready which could be extended easily ( although the stern pulpits middle support is in the way). If you want I can send you a picture of the configuration on my boat. I am having trouble inserting pictures in this box

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