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    Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 3:54pm
I want to bring sheets, reffing lines, halyards etc back to the cockpit, using jammers. Any advice? Is it something a reasonably able amateur could tackle.
 
I also want to upgrade my winches, to fit self-tailing. Any advice on size/makes/suppliers.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moongirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 5:16pm
Here are my thoughts:
  1. Genoa sheets will come back to cockpit anyway and self tailers will hold them safely.
  2. Reefing lines and halyards should be routed back through 'organizers' bolted through the coachroof. You will need to make holes in the headlining and use s/s bolts with s/s penny washers under the nuts. JR does plugs that may be used to blank off the holes.
  3. At the mast a lot depends on what you have there. The best solution is the Selden deck ring with built-in points to take blocks - expensive and needs slots cut into mast below deck to take rigging screws and hooks that hold the ring down against the upward pull of the lines. Some boats already have turning blocks riveted to the mast base but you do not say what arrangement you have.
  4. From the organizers the lines should be lead to clutches which like the former should be bolted through the deck. major load lines (genoa halyard) should be as close to a straight line from clutch to winch.
  5. It will probably be necessary to mount the clutches on spacer blocks to lift the lines from the organizers to clear the breakwater. JR makes some nice neat GRP Blocks - tidier than bits of wood.
  6. With regard to winches I would regard size 44 as minimum and 46 as ideal. Getting the old winches off might be a problem as the nuts are hidden and usually encapsulated. The starboard winch is not too bad as it is possible (I think!) to access the nuts from the 1/4 berth. On  Jemmana JR cut away the cockpit lockers under the winches , removed the old winches, fitted the new ones and blanked the holes in the lockers using a section moulded in GRP. Some people have tackled the port side winch by cutting a hole in the Galley area and simply blanking it off post winch fitting by installing a dinghy type buoyancy hatch cover.
  7. With regard to manufacturers its difficult to beat Harken for quality but its worth looking at Anderson (Ronstan) winches and the new ones from Holmatro and Selden
I believe that a reasonably competent handyman should be able to tackle the jobs provided he has the right tools. To fit the organizers and clutches you would need to drill pilot holes then use a hole cutter to make the access to the bolts/nuts and finish by drilling out the holes through the deck to suit the fixing bolts - use plenty of Sikaflex to seal around the bolts - same applies to winches and clutches. You might get lucky with the winches as some new winches have bases with holes that match the existing but I think you would have to be very lucky!
Its worth reading through current and older Posts as this subject has come up before - maybe in several bits.
If you need any special advice or parts such as the headlining plugs a call to Fiona at JR usually works.
Hope this all helps.
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Many thanks for prompt reply. I'll certainly check previous posts and hope they are as helpful as this one,

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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric clubley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 5:17pm
It's been a while since I was last on line about this. I'm making progress, at least with my thinking.
Can I ask you  about one part of your last reply viz "It will probably be necessary to mount the clutches on spacer blocks to lift the lines from the organizers to clear the breakwater".
I was wondering about the possibility of drilling through the breakwater? The disadvantages are clear, but I guess there are advantages in having the organisers and cluthes aligned and as close to the deck as possible.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Alastair Pugh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 7:22pm
When positioning the clutches may I recommend doing it with the spray hood (if you have one) fitted.  I didn't and opening the clutches stretches the window.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Galatea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by eric clubley

  I was wondering about the possibility of drilling through the breakwater? The disadvantages are clear, but I guess there are advantages in having the organisers and cluthes aligned and as close to the deck as possible.

That's the arrangement on Galatea.  The lines pass through holes in the breakwater (3 on each side).  The holes are a factory feature (Canadian boat.)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric clubley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 5:05pm
Thanks Alastair and Mark
 
Mark, my Contessa is also Canadian built. Is it possible to send me some photos of the way your lines are organised, especially where they pass thru the breakwater.
My email address is:
 
 
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Eric,
I sent you an email with a couple pictures.
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Unless your breakwater is higher than mine, using Lewmar clutches will clear the breakwater fine with a spacer of only 15mm - can send photo if required.
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Hello Keny,
 
Happy New Year and many thanks for your post. I'd really appreciate some photos.
Could you send them to :
 
 
 
 
many thanks
 
 
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