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    Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 11:39am
Does anyone have experience fitting mid-ships cleats? JR advised placing above saloon recess but this seems too far forward - so advice on position.

The underside of the deck has a ridge in the construction so that the backing plate JR recommends has to be just the right size so as not to be across the ridge - so advice on backing plate welcomed.

Registration of cleat bolts and backing plate might be problematic to ensure in practice - any advice?

How thick is the deck?

Thanks for any advice
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moongirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 9:45pm
I think it's Barton but not sure. Whoever it is does a cleat that fits the Genoa track - much easier than fitting to the deck. I have used one for mooring first fix when single handed & it did the trick!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brigitte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 8:53am
Yes we bought a Barton genoa track cleat at great expense - only to find that it doesn't clear the heads of the screws attaching the track to the deck.

Try before you buy!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Resolute635 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 10:25am
Thanks. I, too, have a Barton cleat I put on the genoa track, and find it very useful.  My only worry is that the lateral forces on the track are not what the track was designed for and that a too vigorous pull on the cleat will rip the track out of the deck.  I'm therefore quite gentle with the cleat.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moongirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 5:33pm
I would only use the midship cleat long enough to get the bow and stern lines on when single handed. I would use them for springs even though the loads are much more lateral.
The chances of pulling the Genoa track off are remote - just anyone who has tried, on purpose, to get them off!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moongirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 5:34pm
Should have said 'wouldn't' !
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For a temporary hold when coming alongside single handed I run a piece of 10mm three strand out through the spinnaker pole deck mounting - it has lot's of bolts and likely stronger that the nylon anyway. 
One end of the nylon has a small soft eye that drops over the spinnaker winch and the other a larger eye held open with a piece of PVC tube that drops over the pontoon cleat. The length is calibrated to stop the boat short of the pontoon. Works well, you just have to get within reach of the end cleat on the finger pontoon to drop the line on an then motor slowly ahead to end up in position.   
Not so good if you come into a finger pontoon that's shorter than your home berth!
Leaving is the reverse of the procedure with the line reversed so that it is just hooked on to one horn of the cleat and drops off as you go astern. It's also short enough not to get near the prop, so there's no rush to get it back in board.
Don't see any need for mid ships cleats that will only snag the genoa sheets unless they are removable or you have some other fancy arrangement.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Resolute635 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 11:55am
All very helpful.  Thanks.
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I think mine are even further forward than JR suggests, I cant remember why but they still work. They may even be between the caps and aft lowers.
From dodgy memory the deck is c1/4in but much thicker near the join - so, as you imply, you will need to epoxy or glass a block in to level things out. I then used a substantial stainless plate. Above decks I used teak blocks to raise the cleat near to the level of the bulwarks and didn't fit fairleads, though you can fit brass rubbing strips if it proves a problem.
Cast aluminium 4 bolt cleats will match the existing and are possibly more useful than the small items you sometimes see.
Like the others I often use a device attached to the genoa track, Barton do a turning block that is fairly cheap and can be made to fit.

Let us know if you intend to go ahead and I will take some snaps.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote doug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2017 at 4:50pm

Dodgy Memory Syndrome I am afraid Resolute.

I have been to the boat.

The cleats are on the level internally and sit on the hull deck shelf, at this point it must be getting on for 20mm thick. I didn't use plates either but large washers.
They are between the caps and rear lowers, further aft would have been better but the spinnaker pole mount was in the way.

Edited by doug - 24 Feb 2017 at 8:26pm
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